Chambal Fertilizers & Chemicals Ltd

So, let me take this question in two parts. The urea is a kind of formula-related pricing, and the margins are not expected to vary much in the remaining part of the year. As far as the NPK is concerned, you have to strategize purchase position basis the subsidy and the MRP that you can get in the market. But you are right that the prices have shown a degree of rapid upward mobility rather in the last one quarter.

Some signs of abatement are there, but we will have to see how it goes forward.

However, our stocks are well covered for that.

Okay. And on the second side, like your crop protection chemicals, specialty nutrient biologicals and seed segment delivered a standout 32% YoY revenue growth and like you have launched 13 new CPC products and entrered into hybrid seeds. So, could you unpack the respective contribution of CPC-SN versus biological versus seed segment?

No, all of them are more or less in the same contribution range, give or take 2% or 3%.

And what is your go-to market plan like across distribution, digital engagement with your Chambal Uttam Connect and the field demonstration to scale these new products?

So, I will ask Mr. Ashish to speak about how we go about marketing this. Over to you, Ashish.

Thank you Vishal, your question precisely is on the digital interventions or on the seed-to-harvest program?

Like across the distribution channels, how are your new products achieving?

New products, to start with, since the chemistry has come from some other research partners, so we do an elaborate product launch, and then we have digital connectivity through WhatsApp Chatbot which are digitally spread to various stakeholders in the ecosystem.

And as you achieved the revised FY26 target of Rs. 1,500 crore revenue in CPC and SN, so are we good in the run rate? Yes, we are.

Okay. That is it from my end. Thank you for your answer.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Prashant Biyani from Elara Capital. Please go ahead.

Thank you for the opportunity and congrats on decent set of results. Abhay sir, what is your expectation from NBS subsidy in H2? And in that backdrop, what kind of traded fertiliser volumes can we see this year?

I would say that after the DAP and TSP have been largely moderated by the government's new approach to keep the companies insulated from price shocks, we are trending back to our original numbers, million ton plus.

Sir, but is the price control for TSP there as well DAP, TSP are under price control. Other NPKs are not.

And government is reimbursing Rs.1,000 over and above the cost on both? Yes, more, or less.

And what is our trade inventory of fertiliser at the end of Q1FY-26?

Trade inventory, I would ask Mr. Anuj Jain to speak about how much sales we have made. Are you talking about POS inventory or what we have in stock?

No, POS inventory only, I mean, which is lying with the channel.

Ashish, can you please enlighten us as at the end of June 30th?

Which product exactly are you referring to? All total.

So, we had a lakh and 60,000-odd tons of NPK, including potash inventory as of end of 30th June.

And sir, TAN, by when are we planning the trial production for it?

Trial production will commence early December or late November and we should be starting production by mid-January.

And sir, some color on EBITDA per ton for TAN based on current realization, what kind of EBITDA per ton we can achieve?

The current prices, if I am not wrong, are between Rs.35,000 to Rs.37,000 a ton net- back. And I would assume that they would be in the region of five-digit plus at the moment.

So, Prashant, just one clarification, the POS inventory of 160K is of NPKs, total is around 260K.

Okay. Then, sir, on urea norms, government was about to revise it either in CY or FY25. When is that happening and what kind of changes would you be expecting?

Which one are you talking about? There are two parts; one is energy norm and one is fixed cost. What is it that you are talking about? Energy norm.

Energy norm, I think the government has informally told us and the effect of that, is already encapsulated in current results.

And can you elaborate what is the change in norms?

There is some reduction and to that effect, the negative impact has been factored.

Okay. This would be a public document because this is related to industry?

No. It will be a public document as and when they publish it.

Okay. Sure, sir. I will come back in the queue. I have some more questions. Yes.

Our next question comes from the line of Viraj from SIMPL. Please go ahead.

Just a couple of questions. So, this is on the earlier question pertaining to what the earlier participant was asking. So, if you see for our unit one, if you see what the earlier norms were for us, say for Gadepan-I and Gadepan-II we were in FY25 somewhere around 5.2 Gcal per ton. And the group which we were under group 3, I think the unit norms were somewhere around 5.5, correct me. So, the change which you are talking about is even below 5.2.

No, no. There are marginal variations from the current norm.

Okay. So, given that we have been taking energy-efficiency projects, in the last two years, we have seen a good amount of gains flowing in and we were looking at other efficiency projects. So, the impact of this in terms of per ton EBITDA for us, will that largely negate the efficiency gains, or we should still see gains flowing for us even in FY26?

Let us put this in a way that the government does review the norms from time-to- time. We need to continuously keep improving our norms, which we do, as you know, that we continue to do efficiency improvement through various efficiency projects.

We have a pipeline of such projects stretching at least up to FY-27. And those will come into position and as they come into position, our consumption will actually come down again. So, the delta, which is there, that can keep varying a little bit here and there, but it will be constantly more or less maintained. That is what it is. We are well below the norms, being an efficient producer, and we will continue to maintain that gap between the norm and our operating parameters.

And the percentage sharing of the gains between us and the government, there is no change to that, right? It is just the tightening of the energy efficiency?

No, there is no change in percentage sharing. What happens is that as the norms shift downwards, if you have not made adjustments to your own consumption by efficiency projects, you will tend to lose out.

Got it. So, just a few more questions on the manufacturing business. One is, the Gadepan-III benefits, is there now any communication in terms of what kind of a plan or a structure, we would be post-2026 December?

As of now, no discussion on that has taken place.

Assuming that you were to get the benefits similar to Gadepan-I&II for the Unit 3 as well, what kind of an impact one would see in terms of the EBITDA from this, rough ballpark, not exactly?

See, the point is, as of now, they have not stated anything. All of it is speculative and we don't believe in discussing speculative numbers out in the open. We have had no discussion with the government as to what line of action it will follow as far as the new plant is concerned. There could well be a different policy than what it is today.

So, let us wait till we get some clarity. As and when we get clarity, we will definitely communicate.

Okay. And just one more question on the urea business. If you see the market per se, industry consumption is much higher than production and we are now back in deficit, and given the natural rate of growth in consumption, if you were to underline that, it would still be a much higher number than what we are today. But if you look from an investment point of view, in terms of any new Greenfield at current prices and the structure, it does not seem to be remunerative. So, from your interactions with the government, do you see any new policy being laid out for any new Greenfield investment or what is that communication you are getting from them?

I can only tell you that the government is seized of the problem and they can see the trajectory of growth in terms of consumption. We have seen sharp fall this year itself in terms of the inventories because of the accelerated demand due to slightly early and widespread rains, change in cropping patterns, growth of maize cultivation and all that. All of that is being factored into their thought process. Should they feel the need, they will definitely invite new participants because, you see, setting up the urea plants is a very capital-intensive, time-consuming business and it is best carried out by those proponents of projects who have got prior experience in doing so. So, in that sense, I think the government are quite seized of the matter as far as my understanding goes. How and what will happen in a short period or in a medium period, I cannot say. But my understanding is that they are quite seized of the matter.

But the discussions on new investment if at all with the government, so that the driver of that would be a new policy similar to NIP-12 or it will be more driven by deregulating the price?

I cannot speculate. See, the point is the government has, for your information, and I think everybody knows that, in the budget extended the policy for Namrup Fertiliser.

I mean, one can speculate, one could always think that the same policy would be extended again because they have done it just about three months back, four months back. Okay. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Sandeep Mukherjee from SKP Securities Limited. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my question. Sir, can you please share the plant-wise production volumes and total ammonia sales figure for this quarter?

I will ask Mr. Anuj Jain to explain the plant-wise production and ammonia sales. If I am not wrong, you can take down ammonia sale as about 23,000 tons. Plant-wise, he will explain.

We had production of Gadepan-I about 2.9 lakh tons, Gadepan-II around 2.15 lakh tons, and Gadepan-III about 3.5 lakh tons.

Okay, and what would be the volume in IMACID for this quarter?

In IMACID volume, we had about 1.26 lakh tons that we have produced.

And what was it last quarter, previous year?

This year, same quarter was 1.3 lakh tons. For last quarter, I do not have the information right now. YoY it was 1.3 lakh tons.

Okay. My last question is, please throw some light on the recently ventured seed business. Like, what is the market size and sourcing or collaboration, if any, and the growth ambitions over there?

You see, seeds is a very important part of the agri-input segment. It is a very big market. In terms of the total size, you will have to go through various sections of this.

There are hybrids, there is open pollinated varieties and so on. But our focus at the moment is on hybrids and research seeds. So, the products that we are talking about are maize, mustard, millets, research variety of wheat. These are basically our focus areas because north-west companies like we are, these are some of the things that will have traction in the market. We have started with something like mustard, bajra and maize. And we have done about, Rs.6 crore in sales, we just made a small beginning. Of course, our rabi ambitions are much higher. They will be in an order of magnitude higher than what we have done. As far as the total market size is concerned, which includes open pollinated variety and research and hybrid, marketing informs me of the order of about Rs.50,000 crore.

And for this, we are sourcing, or we have a collaboration with someone?

We have got alliances, and I would ask Mr. Ashish to speak about it.

Sandeep, presently we have embarked on the seed journey through the white label business. That means we are buying a very popular product from the top manufacturers. We have tie-ups with the top manufacturers in all crop segments. It will not be okay for me to reveal the names, but we are in tie-ups with the best in business. Best-in-class. Okay. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Amit Agicha from HG Hawa.

Thank you for the opportunity. My question was connected to the TAN project. Like you said, like by January, I think so we will start the commercial production, and you said like Rs.918 crore already spent. I think so total Capex that we are planning is Rs.1,645 crore, correct? Yes.

And so, balance whatever we will be from the internal sources or you will be raising funds?

No, please understand that the total project cost includes contingency, it includes interest during construction and all that, correct? So, you take it out from there, then the balance quantity that we have still to spend is of the order of Rs.300-400 crore.

And there are some other items in terms of housing and so on, or what you call as owner’s scope, that will get completed over time, but that has no connection with the production as such.

And what will be the possibility of revenue from this plant once it is commercialized?

See, normally you do not expect 100% production rate from day one. We have basically one operating quarter that is middle of Jan to March. So, assuming that we do about even 60%-70% rate for production, then we are talking about 55,000- 56,000 tons product, sells today around Rs.35,000-40,000 a ton. You can do the math.

Understood, sir. Thank you, sir. All the best for the future.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Prashant Kumar Hazariwala, an investor. Please go ahead.

If my memory is not wrong, it is about in two instances, total of about 24 or 25 days.

Exactly what time it was down for the first time, like in May or like when it was down? It was down in the month of May.

In the month of May? Right. So, my request to you guys like I think because of this Gadepan-II plant we have lost almost 20% of our revenue in urea, right?

You are right. 20 days on 92 days will be close to 20%. Overall materiality is decided in terms of reporting to the stock exchanges.

Yes, so it was not reported into the stock exchanges, right?

We are talking about materiality here, Mr. Hazariwala. It is not material enough.

20% is material. I think it is a concern to the investor.

If you see the total EBITDA for the quarter, from that angle, we are talking about.

No, I am talking about turnover point of view. Because once turnover was down by 20% because of this problem and investor does not know about it and maybe some informal guys from somewhere, I do not know. But since May 6th or 7th, that was the peak our stock has made and then it has came down to this level. So, that is where my concern is. Maybe some guys know about it or what I do not understand.

Mr. Hazariwala, let me explain to you. Most of the segment revenue reduction in this particular quarter as compared to last quarter is due to reduction in the prices of gas, which is of the order of 10%. And beyond that, the reduction which is there on account of this, is of the order of, if I am not wrong, just 3% to 4% of that.

20% volume does not make sense in the turnover, right? That is what you are trying to tell me, right?

No, no. When we are looking at contribution, definitely not to that extent. But even in terms of the turnover of the total Company, if you see on Rs. 5,000 crore or whatever we have reported, it is about of the order of 2% to 3%.

No, for urea last year we have done something like Rs.3,600 crore kind of thing. This year we have done Rs.3,100 crore.

Please understand that the turnover depends on gas prices.

Okay, so 10% is you can consider from the gas price, right? So, another 10% will be from Gadepan-II plant, right?

No, no. I am saying it is of the order of 2% to 3%.

Okay, all right. My concern is like 20-24 days, at least we can have one intimation about it. That will be good for investors.

We will discuss this internally and get back.

Yes, please. Okay. Thank you. Have a good day.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Falguni Dutta from Mansarovar Financials. Please go ahead.

Yes, I have just two questions. One is on that energy change norm in urea. So, how frequently does it change, is there a duration that it changes after so many years each time they change it?

The government can be inconsistent on this and sometimes consistent on this. So, this norm has been changed after almost seven years.

After seven years? Okay. But normally is it supposed to change after five years or there is no such thing?

They always will give a sunset clause that this policy will run from this time-to-this- time.

Okay. So, after this change, is it known now only as to when will the next change happen?

No, we have no communication. That is it. Okay.

This is not a published policy. This is on the basis of a discussion that was held between us and the department and the numbers that were given to us have been factored into current year's first quarter calculation.

Okay. And sir the second question is on the JV expansion, the forecasted 5 to 7 lakh tons. When is that going to come up?

My information is it is late '26, maybe early '27, that kind of time.

Okay. Thank you, sir. That is all from me.

Thank you. Our next follow-up question comes from the line of Prashant Biyani from Elara Capital. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you for the opportunity again. How much is the net cash on balance sheet right now? Around Rs. 1,600 crore as on 30th June.

Urea volumes from G-III plant, sales volume, not the production? 3.4 lakh tons.

Okay. And the gas prices for the quarter?

It is about $15.15 on NCV basis per MMBtu.

Okay. On the TAN plant, have we been able to calculate how much benefit are we getting from the state incentives either annually or cumulatively over a certain period of time?

Well, the package that has been proposed is not yet in a sense signed off. It is in the advanced stages of being signed off. There is a RIPS policy in this and RIPS means Rajasthan Investment Promotion Scheme. It is a certain percentage of the total hard project cost, that means excluding interest during construction and certain other things, of which I think a certain percentage, between 20% to 25% which comes back as some sort of per year payment over a period of 10-years. That means roughly 2% to 2.5% of the hard cost of the project per year.

That is it. And then what is the hard project cost for us?

If I am not wrong, it is about Rs.1,100 crore.

Okay. And no incentive on GST or interest subvention?

No, I do not think there are any such schemes in RIPS.

Okay. And what is the quantum of impact of energy norm reduction, which we have taken provisionally? It is low double-digits per quarter. Rs.20 crore, Rs.50 crore? No, very low double digits.

Okay. And any informal talks with the government on fixed cost reimbursement, that revision is also pending for many years?

I have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

Okay. And how much is the IMACID investing for Phos-Acid expansion?

See, there are two parts to it. I think the first part of Phosphoric Acid plant is about $40-$45 million. And there is a Sulfuric acid plant which has to come after that. That is of the order of $120-$130 million.

And as Sulfuric acid capacity will be how much, the expansion?

If I am not wrong, it is something of the order of 3,200 tons per day, but I will have to check that. Alright.

It is a kind of a balancing capacity. There is a boosting up of the capacity, which is there already. I will have to check that. But if my memory is not wrong, it is about a million ton plus.

How do you see the channel inventory in fertiliser for the industry?

For the industry, that I will ask Ashish to give a comment.

Prashant, we don't have access to the channel inventory data. But if you look at the industry stocks, it is down, each commodity stocks are down.

But I mean, is it like the shortage would be such that whatever the industry sells in Q2 will just go off the shelf and hence the volume growth can be healthy for Q2 as well as Q3? Is it that kind of situation?

See, whatever inventories are available at port and plant will be sold in Q2. There is not much inventories in the pipeline. That is all I can say.

No, but I think, Prashant, what we are trying to get at, there is some amount of truth in that, that the demand is fairly strong. And supplies, both from self-production as well as imports, are running a little short. So therefore, there would be a kind of quick liquidation of it.

Thank you so much for answering the questions.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Viraj from SIMPL. Please go ahead.

Yes, just 2 questions. One is, I think in the past we talked about us evaluating different capital projects, be it in the Nitric acid value chain or other segments in agri input value chain. So, any color you can give, any update?

No, at the moment, our complete focus is on getting the Technical Ammonium Nitrate plant off the ground, commissioning it. There are additional variations in the product, let us say, like LDAN, for which certain type of engineering is being progressed. But that is technically ammonium nitrate only, only a different version of it. We have got three versions of it. Two versions of it are already there, HDAN, which is high density.

And then there is MELT, Ammonium Nitrate MELT. There is a third category, which is called low density. For that, the engineering part is on. That is a significant addition to the portfolio of the Technical Ammonium Nitrate project.

And on the crop protection, any color you can give, any network coverage now? And of the sales which we have now, say I think in FY '25, how much of the sales are outside our core network of urea and how much is through the urea channel?

We are quite a bit focused on our urea channel. Quite a bit of our people have in the channel width itself, still some way to go in our fertiliser channel itself. However, we are beginning to pick up stray one or two kinds of people who are purely from the CPC channel, not very big participants in the fertiliser channel. And they are beginning to get familiarised with our product portfolio. But it is a process which will take some time. The fertiliser channel itself is offering quite big opportunities in terms of growth as of now.

I think we were in the past talking about talks with various MNC players for introduction of specialty molecules or 9(3) products?

Yes, it is an ongoing process, Viraj. We keep adding molecules every year. This year, we have added, I think, 13. So it is a continuous process. We keep adding it in the portfolio.

But of these are in the pipeline, are there any specialty molecules or 9(3) products? Majority of them are in 9(3).

So, any color you can give over the partners here, the products which you launched? Difficult to name them.

But looking at the existing portfolio, we always deal with some very good players, best in class. Thank you very much. Good luck.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Pawan Nahar, an Investor.

Thank you. Sir, my question is on Gadepan-III Urea unit. As I understand, we have an 8-year policy period in which we are entitled to incentives and thereafter, there will be changes. So, if you can explain what are these incentives and what will be the changes that come across in 2027? And later if you can quantify what would be the impact after that?

Mr. Nahar, the change that will come about, let me speak to you. We have not initiated any discussion, rather, the government has not initiated any discussion with us, what shape, form, it will take. That is something still, at the moment, not even on the first paper on the file. That is what I can say. The second part is as to what is currently the scheme. Currently, the scheme is a normative scheme. It says that for a certain dollar value of your gas, a certain amount shall be paid at the base level.

And as the price increases from that, linearly an addition shall be made to the product price at the rate of something like $20 per ton of urea for every $1 increase in gas price. That is currently the policy. At a base of something like $285, that is how it goes. Now, as far as the new policy is concerned, whether it will be still norm-based, whether it will be on unit cost basis, we do not know. As I have said to you, the first paper on the file has not yet been put.

Yes. So basically, I get it that government has not initiated any policy discussion.

Still, we would be having some assumption, let us say, we are right now in a zone

where there is perhaps only us or maybe another Company which is getting those, getting the pricing. I will not use the word benefit. I will use the word pricing or a formula. Now, if after the 8-year period, we go back to the formula which is being applied to the other Urea units, what would be the change for us? So, let us say, today our contribution is X dollars, how much would that become? Because see, I read that in the policy document, perhaps, if I got it right, the band for ROE is between 16%-20%. And I see that without leverage, the Company has been able to make good ROE, but there is no point in me getting in there because there are multiple things into that ROE or multiple businesses. So, if you can just simply tell me that if the policy were to transition to the existing units, formula, the existing units?

The existing unit formula is a 12% return on networth policy. Correct? Right.

So that is for the unit-based specific networth. So it is a matter of, plus there are costs, etc., which have to be reimbursed. What kind of cost? How much cost will they reimburse? That is what I am saying. As of now, the current policy for 1 and 2 is a 12% return on networth policy. But when they actually effectuate it, what exactly will be the number is something difficult to hazard a guess. Of course, there will be a reduction. I know what you are driving at. Question is, what is the extent of the reduction? And that is what we are not hazarding a guess at. The Company has its own estimations, which I am not going to share with you at the moment. Fine. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next follow-up question comes from the line of Falguni Dutta from Mansarovar Financials. Please go ahead.

Yes. Sir, I just missed on what you said on that Rajasthan government incentive for the TAN plant. So, on that hard project cost of Rs. 1,100 crore, what benefit are we supposed to get in that part?

It is about for 10 years, let us say, about 2% of the cost per year or something like that.

So, 2% of the project cost, which is Rs. 1,100 crore? Yes. Over a period of 10 years?

Yes. That means every year, you will get 2%. It adds up to 20%. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ranjeet from IIFL Capital Services. Please go ahead.

Yes. Sir, thanks for the opportunity. My first question, in the past we have shared our aspiration to grow global as well, probably tapping some assets for complex fertilisers so that we can use the IMACID. So, any update on that front?

I can only say that we are working on it. There are active discussions. We are in contact with the parties.

Sir, any outer timelines I would like to share for concluding this?

These are long drawn out and very complicated discussions. It has stop and start options in between. Sometimes you walk away from the table, sometimes you walk towards the table. You know how negotiations are. We don't put timelines. We only hope for the best results for us. It is like the India-US trade deal. People are walking off the table, they are coming back to the table, so that things happen all the time, right?

But are you certain that the deal is going to happen?

I can't say. How can I say what the other party thinks, as long as there is a willingness to negotiate, something will happen.

Sure. Thank you. Second question is on the TAN business. So, what are your thoughts on the demand supply dynamics, at least in India, and how soon you would like to see it getting ramped up? And lastly, the government has also opened up export quotas. So how do you see that as well? Thank you.

You see, TAN, the market is expected to have supply surplus for a short while. But if you see the overall environment, in fact, I was with the Coal India Ex-Chairman some time back. They are going from 800 million tons of mined coal to 1.5 billion tons by 2032, in the various quarries that they have. They are themselves putting up a coal-based ammonium nitrate plant, which they say will be fully absorbed, and they will still be short again on that quantity. So, in the longer run, with the infrastructure push that we have, and you know that the government has asked for 100 gigawatt of coal-based power capacity addition, out of which about 70-80 gigawatt has achieved FID. So, we can see that there will be growth. There may be intermittent phases in which the market could be a little long, and where there will be some pressures in terms of prices. But on a long-term basis, you see that so far we have grown at 5%-6% CAGR. It will grow at that kind of rate. I am quite optimistic that the demand supply situation is in the favor of the suppliers.

On the export front, we would also like to tap those opportunity?

Export front is mostly, see, export mostly is LDAN. LDAN is a product that is mostly exported. And we are, as I told you, doing the engineering work for that. And as and when we have completed that, of course, that will be post the implementation of this particular phase of the project. That will be Phase-2 of the project. So, it will take us some time to get to that phase. There is a first basic Phase-1 that you do, and then you go to the next stage. We will definitely look into that. Look into that means we are already committed into doing that kind of project. And so far after that, then we will see how the market plays out. Sure, sir. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sandeep Mukherjee from SKP Securities Limited. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the follow-up question. Sir, can you throw some color on the CAPEX plans for this year apart from TAN?

We have some ongoing projects. I will ask Mr. Anuj Jain to tell us what is the extent of the normal replacement capital expenditure, etc., committed for this year?

Normal CAPEX plans are there. It is about Rs. 250 crore worth of projects we have.

They are ongoing projects, phase-wise expenditures.

Thank you. Our next follow-up question comes from the line of Amit Ahuja from H. G. Hawa. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you for the follow-up. My question was connected to the G2 Urea plant, like, has it resumed full operations? And what was the exact impact on volume and profitability? And connected to that, what will be the planned maintenance shutdown scheduled in FY '26?

See, Gadepan-II is scheduled to go in March 26 for its annual turnaround since the second year of operation would have completed. As far as this loss of 55,000 odd tons is concerned, the total loss of production would have cost the Company in terms of contribution about Rs. 16 - Rs. 17 crore.

Thank you, sir. That was my question. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Prashant Biyani from Elara Capital. Please go ahead.

We are around the corner to commence our TAN plant and our cash generation will increase further. So, any plans of future capacity expansion except from the long pending discussion on complex fertilisers?

Mr. Biyani, do you know how much time it takes to, let us say, just for argument's sake, take to plant a Rs. 9,000 crore CAPEX, let us say, hypothetically speaking, on a plant like Gadepan-III?

No, sir, I am not aware of the technicality.

Even a million ton or something of that sort, a NPK plant, there is so much to be done in terms of tie-ups and either in policy or in discussions with parties and so on. So, definitely the Company is not going to sit on its cash, going to do something about it.

I cannot put a finger on the date and time for these things. That is all I can say.

Except on the complex plant, whatever has been the discussion, outside of that, any other thing we want to pursue, and we are?

There will be, in the sense that we have two other three lines of business, seeds is there, speciality nutrients are there. All of them present either organic or inorganic opportunities. And not only that, there could be alliances or collaborations there as well. These are businesses that we need to grow and you can see the way that we are growing them. Sometimes the growth will come through alliances or supply arrangements. Sometimes, it will come through collaborations and joint manufacturing. Sometimes, it will come through sole manufacturing. What pathway will actually happen is in the future, depends on the market, depends on the grades that we are doing, the kind of products that we are doing.

In case of alliances, I would believe cash outlay will not be that high. Any decision?

We can go into the same, with the same partner, joint manufacturing.

Sir, you have been giving signals for quite a while. Anything more than that if you can share, that would be great.

See, if I had something to say and it was approved by the board, definitely I would say.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

Thank you all gentlemen for this very engaging one hour of conversation. I hope to have been able to answer your questions and if there are any follow-up questions individually, that can be, then Mr. Anuj Jain is there to take them. Thank you so much.

Thank you. On behalf of Chambal Fertilisers and Chemicals Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you all for joining us. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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